tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5102004681763150356.post6638984391159660142..comments2024-01-13T07:55:22.943-05:00Comments on Stealing Knowledge: Japanese-Jewish Common Ancestry Theory & Shin Megami Tensei: Pseudohistorical Fantasies into Anti-Semitic NightmaresEirikrhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12708584583156602408noreply@blogger.comBlogger113125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5102004681763150356.post-36296811945191013262021-11-19T05:30:13.197-05:002021-11-19T05:30:13.197-05:00This whole thing was a really cool read! I saw a L...This whole thing was a really cool read! I saw a Larrue video a couple months ago where he mentioned Kaneko believes in JJCAT, which I vaguely knew of (I saw the graph of kana/hebrew and fell for the meme). Totally at the back of my mind, until I went to look up JJCAT to learn more about the myth. Saw your link, spent an hour reading your article, glad I did. Great stuff! I feel like I learned a lot from the article and the discourse, especially with some of the stuff I just never noticed in Megami Tensei games. Feel like I understand the theology in SMT and "authentic" spinoffs a lot more now.<br />Sorry about jarin, the reddit and 4chan megaten communities (which make up the whole of the anglophone audience unfortunately) can be really shitty on another level. You have the patience of a saint.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5102004681763150356.post-8426361901737757802021-11-19T05:17:20.720-05:002021-11-19T05:17:20.720-05:00I'm like halfway through the comments, if you ...I'm like halfway through the comments, if you spent four hours screaming into the void when everyone was ignoring you then yeah most people would consider that a meltdown. You posted this four years ago so I'm not trying to be hard on you; I've definitely posted worse, but your entire stay in this one comment section has retroactively made me regret clicking on this article in ways that "maybe my favorite game is kinda racist by accident" could never hope to achieve.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5102004681763150356.post-53918657887890813052021-06-04T16:10:13.357-04:002021-06-04T16:10:13.357-04:00Thank you for reading this monster!!
I honestly h...Thank you for reading this monster!!<br /><br />I honestly have doubts that supersessionism plays into SMT. It's probably too specific an idea for Atlus, who tend to just use "over the counter" mythology collections for their works. I've actually been researching a bit into why YHVH is the way he is in the series and the simplest answer just seems to be Japan's own history with Christianity and monotheism. It's antithetical to their religious lifestyle and is so characterized. Plus anything monotheism just tends to be blended as part of a "YHVH force" under Law these days. <br /><br />But again, glad you enjoyed it!Eirikrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12708584583156602408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5102004681763150356.post-86561856955250928162021-06-04T11:44:24.123-04:002021-06-04T11:44:24.123-04:00This is some impressive work. I wish I'd disco...This is some impressive work. I wish I'd discovered this post sooner, as it aligns petty closely with my interests. <br /><br />I have one small addendum, which I think might deepen the analysis. It's possible you've discussed elsewhere on this site, so if you have, apologies. I think the concept of supersessionism is key to understand how Judaism is depicted in SMT. The idea that Christianity "replaced" Judaism is an aspect of Christian theology that has become incredibly pervasive. For example, it's the source of the idea that the Old Testament wrathful God worshipped by the Jews is inferior to the kind God of the New Testament. This is an antisemitic idea, in that it sees modern Jews as an unchanging representation of an older, more savage way of being. Meanwhile, Christians can dismiss any negative aspects of Christianity as a remnant of Judaism. <br /><br />This is an oversimplification, and I am no scholar, but I think some of the SMT games end up reenacting replacement theology, with a pure messianic figure killing the Old Testament God. There is a lot more to explore here, more than I could dash out in a comment like this, but it could be a helpful lens. Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03973954682089571444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5102004681763150356.post-39026477898909382142020-07-31T11:17:11.259-04:002020-07-31T11:17:11.259-04:00Sadly, I'm not a paint huffer. This shows Kane...Sadly, I'm not a paint huffer. This shows Kaneko credited for the drafts of SMT4's scenario: <br /><br />https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UyfdEnjTkow/VeO_qoPFgBI/AAAAAAAAAcE/iSU7MDIG5IY/s1600/zlCfzSoLgSEJNDjkk6.jpg<br /><br />You can read Kaneko's partial SMT4 drafts here: https://dijehtranslations.wordpress.com/2018/11/03/smt-iv-draft-scenario/<br /><br />Kaneko was a bigger influence on things than just illustrations. He was a creative director on Nocturne, for one. He very obviously didn't just sit in a dark room, sequestered from the others, and just draw all day. <br /><br />No schizo, no parody (except of your deleted comment :p). If you don't just disappear into the ether and consider the breadth of Kaneko's position here, I'll be proud of you. Swag. Eirikrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12708584583156602408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5102004681763150356.post-60421069404177726722020-07-31T04:23:12.317-04:002020-07-31T04:23:12.317-04:00Kaneko had NOTHING to do with the games plot, or s...Kaneko had NOTHING to do with the games plot, or story outside illustrations. This hurts my head. Is this a parody blog?TGRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18415325174246178252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5102004681763150356.post-55771331618278985732020-07-31T04:19:20.995-04:002020-07-31T04:19:20.995-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.TGRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18415325174246178252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5102004681763150356.post-45293297612688426992020-05-10T22:52:04.303-04:002020-05-10T22:52:04.303-04:00No no no, that's totally legit! What's not...No no no, that's totally legit! What's not legit is the prices on some of these books and really the limited choices. I suppose PIE interests are too niche to reach the $20 paperback audience. :p<br /><br />And thanks for reading this garbage and navigating this cratered comment section. Pointing out more weaknesses of JJCAT is just golden to me. Eirikrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12708584583156602408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5102004681763150356.post-75341030662466275042020-05-09T22:44:42.240-04:002020-05-09T22:44:42.240-04:00I generally just use Google to indulge my mytholog...I generally just use Google to indulge my mythology fascination, sorry(I use more than just Wikipedia, I promise =p)<br /><br /><br />PIE.org mentions Mythology of Aryan Nations by George Cox on their mythology page a lot, so that's probably a safe bet, though it is over a century old. They also list The Oxford Introduction to Proto-Indo-European and the Proto-Indo-European World and Encyclopedia of Indo-European Culture in their biblography, amoung others(http://piereligion.org/piemyth.html)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09057082356729554869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5102004681763150356.post-24663900203331424022020-05-09T14:26:43.752-04:002020-05-09T14:26:43.752-04:00No worries! Pedantic rants about myth are VERY muc...No worries! Pedantic rants about myth are VERY much welcome here! :)<br /><br />In fact, do you have any recommendations for books on PIE myth?Eirikrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12708584583156602408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5102004681763150356.post-68342835395955395562020-05-09T12:42:41.073-04:002020-05-09T12:42:41.073-04:00Small nitpick I have with something you said earli...Small nitpick I have with something you said earlier on in the post: Zeus and Baal (Hadad) are not (primarily) derived from Proto-Indo-European Mythology. Both are more strongly influenced by Near Eastern/Mesopotamian mythologies. Greek mythology is sometimes mislabeled as such because Roman mythology is one of the three main mythologies used to reconstruct PIE mythology, since people mistakenly believe that Roman mythology comes out of Greek mythology, but Greek mythology comes more out of Mycenaean mythology, which unlike PIE mythology biases heavily towards chthonic deities, and Semitic/Mesopotamian mythology, which is where Zeus as the chief god and slayer of Typhon comes from.<br />PIE mythology does feature a story about a hero battling a snake monster but it is of a very different significance to the story of Baal and Ym/Lotan. In the PIE story, the world is created by the twins Manu and Yemo via Manu killing Yemo and making the world from his corpse, then afterwards the three headed serpent Nghi steals the sacred cow and the third human Trito allies with the sky father Dyeus to recover it, becoming the first warrior. At first it sounds similar to the story of Hadad fighting Ym and Lotan in the primordial ocean to become the chief god, but the myths serve different functions. The PIE myth establishes the trichotomy of the priest, the warrior, and the herdsman, basically a mythological justification for social classes and their roles. The Baal cycle, on the other hand, is about establishing the divine right of the king, and explaining how order was derived from chaos, a theme that isn’t as prevalent in the PIE creation story. These themes are present in the story of Zeus and Typhon as well, with Typhon, a creature born from and representing the interests of a primordial goddess in the same way that Lotan and Kingu do in their respective stories, vying for supremacy against Zeus whereas the Vedic equivalent, Indra and Vritra the conflict revolves around Vritra causing drought by literally stealing the water, a parallel to Nghi stealing the cattle. The other major mythology derived from PIE with a snake battle, Norse mythology’s Thor vs Jormundgandr, doesn’t have the same “reclaim nature from the monster” theme, at least that I know of, but it still fits into the “Warrior champion fights off the Snake monster” archetype of the PIE story as opposed to “God King fights primordial monster to rule the world” theme that Zeus and Baal fit into.<br />Also worth noting is that PIE mythology distinguishes between the sky god Dyeus as the father and authority figure(a la Jupiter, Varuna, Odin) and the storm god Perkunos as the heroic warrior figure(a la Thor, Parjanya, Mars). Levantine an Greek mythos do kind of make that distinction(El Elyon, Ouranos), but they tend to put those two roles together, with the storm god being both the hero and the authority figure, and usually also claims with sky as his domain. Not to say that they’re completely without PE influence, as Zeus in particular has the Horkios epithet, denoting him as the enforcer of divine contracts which does seem to be a PIE mythology thing, but his main influences seem to come from elsewhere.<br />Of course this doesn’t really contradict the point you were trying to make by bringing it up, if anything it makes Kubo’s claims even more bogus, since Susanoo fits more closely with the Perkunos/Thor archetype than with the Baal archetype that he wants to put him into, which makes the Japanese-Jewish connection even more of a reach, I’m just a pedant that likes ranting about mythology.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09057082356729554869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5102004681763150356.post-70770455542349368782020-03-23T03:39:15.872-04:002020-03-23T03:39:15.872-04:00That "imperfect hero" bit might refer to...That "imperfect hero" bit might refer to "kawaisou eiyuu", it's like a loser more sympathetic to general public than a victor thing. I'm too lazy to check the original interview but I suspect that's exactly the case. A Japanese guy who mentioned that concept during a lecture I attended also referred to Yoshitsune as an example, briefly mentioning Yoshitsune as Genghis Khan theory. Yatsu From Beforehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15281701159862247822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5102004681763150356.post-6477994739175174062018-11-02T08:01:15.912-04:002018-11-02T08:01:15.912-04:00It's just a genuinely poor "theory" ...It's just a genuinely poor "theory" that has no coherence. I spent 4 hours debunking it in the comments; evidently, that's "having a meltdown" or some such nonsense for his fans. The separation of Lucifer and Satan could also be from the self-contradictions of Islamic theology too, for instance. <br /><br />Here's a discussion in which I mention some of the problems with Eirikjrs views and so-called "research" -- I use the Sanat Kumara comments in which he "elaborated" on Atlus's supposed incompetence and explain why, instead, Eirikjrs is flat out wrong and, as can be expected, these types of comments are simply ignored and he's also been deleting some of my comments in his newer posts: https://jarinjove.com/2018/10/31/shin-megami-tensei-discussions-with-beadman/Jarin Jovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11289749660750029257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5102004681763150356.post-66178404263766438412018-09-14T12:23:58.842-04:002018-09-14T12:23:58.842-04:00Except it refutes his initial premise. Except it refutes his initial premise. Jarin Jovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11289749660750029257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5102004681763150356.post-82826086294933899942018-08-14T03:10:03.285-04:002018-08-14T03:10:03.285-04:00I'm a Christian who thinks there is some truth...I'm a Christian who thinks there is some truth to the Gad theory, but I know many of the arguments are bad arguments.<br /><br />It's clearly that this Game designers has a very limited knowledge of JJCAT and only looked at it as a product of his general obsession with Comparative Mythology and esoteric occult stuff. Everything "Anti Semitic" about the SMT's use of the theory is not compatible with how the theory actually works. Most people who believe the theory see descent from Israel as something to brag about. Normally when Lost Tribes theories get co-opted by Anti-Semites it's to overlap with saying Ahskenazim Jews are not legit descendants of the Southern Kingdom.<br /><br />On the comparative Mythology aspect. I agree with equating Baal and Susanoo, but not Amaterasu and Astarte. Instead I point to how Caanite texts also have a Goddess as their Sun Deity, and have a similar myth about her hiding in a cave. In which context I'd say Astarte is rather Uzume.<br /><br />You allude to interpretations of the new Testament that make YHVH the bad guy. I feel like pointing out that when combining that with separating Satan from Lucifer, Latins texts of The new testament call Jesus Lucifer.Kuudere-Kunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06537085979461349854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5102004681763150356.post-45474416122208317292018-03-22T00:37:16.088-04:002018-03-22T00:37:16.088-04:00Quote-mined nonsense taken from joke posts in orde...Quote-mined nonsense taken from joke posts in order to present a disingenuous view. Jarin Jovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11289749660750029257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5102004681763150356.post-33127766858987218752018-03-13T17:44:42.522-04:002018-03-13T17:44:42.522-04:00Jarin Jove is classist and advocates for the elimi...Jarin Jove is classist and advocates for the elimination of the impoverished: http://i.imgur.com/zpcEELq.pngZerocoathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14264828543357256145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5102004681763150356.post-9693109836046030522018-03-12T02:04:18.352-04:002018-03-12T02:04:18.352-04:00Since this blogpost of yours is so incredibly faci...Since this blogpost of yours is so incredibly facile in actual evidence on what these games represent. I'd like to share the actual themes that Atlus utilizes in their games. Nietzschean philosophy. The first link is from Sam Hatting, the one who inspired me to take a deeper look at SMT influences. Unlike Eirikjs pseudo-intellectual attempts to vilify Atlus as anti-semites based on quote-mining, self-contradictory arguments, and poor reasoning; here's what real effort into looking into video game lore looks like:<br /><br />http://tophatting.tumblr.com/post/45648345399/nocturne-and-nietzsches-ubermensch<br /><br />And my own:<br /><br />https://jarinjove.com/2017/04/10/smtivathemes/<br /><br />https://jarinjove.com/2017/10/18/thematic-analysis-of-shin-megami-tensei-iv-apocalypse-ii/<br /><br />https://jarinjove.com/2015/01/12/a-thematic-analysis-of-shin-megami-tensei-nocturne/Jarin Jovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11289749660750029257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5102004681763150356.post-51212607769769431742017-12-04T02:23:19.958-05:002017-12-04T02:23:19.958-05:00Pat,
...Okay, looks like the coast is clear. :P
...Pat,<br /><br />...Okay, looks like the coast is clear. :P <br /><br />Thanks for reading and commenting! Glad you survived the negativity onslaught with your wits intact. :P <br /><br />Just a few things, I only mentioned the literature in regards to how the books transform people into demons, and how that opens up the worst cans of worms about what the demons are; any social effect on the populace of Mikado is irrelevant because it doesn't affect the main plot. Likewise, I guess I'm more conservative in my approach on themes and don't like to expound unless there are quotes from the developers. That said, Ishida mentions in the SMT4 artbook that they originally wanted the Roppongi section to be a lot nastier, so you could be on the money. <br /><br />I do hate JJCAT, though it's no less dumb than any other garden variety conspiracy theory. I will admit that some of the rhetoric I used here was a little harsh and that I conclude in saying that there's no true malice--but they had to have been aware of the implications of the scenario. But again, given how the Chinese stuff in 4 is presented without irony, maybe not. Here's hoping SMT5 is a lot better about it, but I can only think I may have to update this article sometime in 2019. :P Eirikrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12708584583156602408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5102004681763150356.post-9147068518691263882017-11-22T02:02:31.126-05:002017-11-22T02:02:31.126-05:00@Eirikr Great work on your blog, had a good binge ...@Eirikr Great work on your blog, had a good binge on your content after finding you on an offhand YT comment. First, no matter how rude these comments get, the research done to keep these arguments fueled is astounding.<br /><br />However, as much as you hate SMT4, I notice you don't mention the "Literature of Mikado" arc at all, despite the plot holes, in your earlier work. From what I took from that arc before Tokyo, the scenario reminded me of the Russian revolution being spurred by poorly-cited articles such as The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Likewise, the Black Samurai was taking advantage of how poorly educated Mikado was (as Mikado only had nonfiction held by Luxurors and Samurai) to exploit a society where fiction was a novelty only owned by those who know of Naraku. Although it was eventually enough of an incensed incident that Gabriel was tricked into starting a purge (proving the conspiracies right), it does go to show there is SOME self awareness in SMT4, as we're better off with fiction in society due to understanding what makes a lie tick...such as JJCAT.<br /><br />This next one is unrelated to JJCAT and more towards your criticism of SMT4, but the Reds may have been more of a jab at child prostitution, in a game crammed with too many ideas. Despite Tokyo in desperate need of kids to raise the next generation, the demons can't help but feel intoxicated by living vicariously through memories in a child's eye. Therefore, kids are stolen off the street to live as sacred cattle, valued more for their innocence than their potential to grow, and cursed to live in eternal infantilism growing dumber by the day. Whether Red addicts turn into demons through the knowledge of robbing another's age, or projecting their defensive fantasy upon themselves, it's a vicious cycle that eventually leads to Infernal Tokyo with a full master/slave system. Besides the brain matter, I'm also tempted to say that Magatsuhi's gas may also trigger horniness along with an ego spike, as Johnathan starts acting like a furry when high and Flynn drops his pants to do that thing with his "nose".<br /><br />Although there may be signs that SMT4 has themes more sinister to reflect upon the audience, I'm going to err on a negligent creator than a malicious intent. Keep in mind that shortly after SMT4, Index corp went under, leaving a sea of poorly implemented DLC boss fights & costumes (the P2W farming areas come to mind), new redesigns for a new car smell, several new settings that were underutilized, absurdly self-referential for half an audience that don't know the references, and Europe was still left out cold for a long while. You can even argue the Furigana was a leftover when they weren't sure about localizing SMT4 to the west, throwing Japanese learners a bone. If Wikipedia is to be believed, there was even an internal debate whether to let Persona's lighter tone shine through with more women in the cast - in that light, keeping the protagonist male would dissuade Walter and Johnathan from being romanced. I don't blame them for trying to retcon SMT4 in 4A to the point of an alternate canon. With that said, I'd be willing to call SMT4 a guilty pleasure that has all the ingredients of a fun world (seriously, I never realized how much I wanted a STALKER-esque Tokyo until I played this) that came at the wrong time. Here's hoping to SMT5 for Atlus to get their shit together.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17918465692646542238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5102004681763150356.post-77758253973078146112017-10-16T04:13:39.328-04:002017-10-16T04:13:39.328-04:00Rxcept absolutely nothing concrete supports this s...Rxcept absolutely nothing concrete supports this so-called globalist conspiracy. The Archangels were the ones responsible, YHVH explicitly preaches the New Testament's Sermon on the Mount, and we're shown forms of Japanese ethnocentrism being denounced. The premise cannot possibly be supported so he presupposed it and offered no real evidence. <br /><br />Where in this bizarre fever dream of his, could he have possibly interpreted YHVH being referenced as Jewish in Nocturne? That is literally a visceral attempt at the Christian End of Times. <br /><br />Why, for instance, was Akira even made King by the Angels -- who explicitly say that he had unclean blood, if JJCAT is true?Jarin Jovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11289749660750029257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5102004681763150356.post-76874087446037358852017-10-01T03:06:00.586-04:002017-10-01T03:06:00.586-04:00They didn't make pro-Japanese anything. That&#...They didn't make pro-Japanese anything. That's just your racist anti-Japanese beliefs. Jarin Jovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11289749660750029257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5102004681763150356.post-9191259166167176552017-08-11T01:15:59.357-04:002017-08-11T01:15:59.357-04:00Eirikr didn't say that jjcat is the only or ev...Eirikr didn't say that jjcat is the only or even main thing smt is based on at all. In fact, he said it doesn't seem present at all in earlier games. So how would it be? It also makes no sense to dismiss him pointing out that intentionally or not it has unfortunate implications. Appealing to japan being a different culture doesn't change anything, since some of these unfortunate implications are -part- of japanese culture. Making a fictionalized WWII parallel where lo and behold the jewish (((globalist))) conspiracy is real all along, and highly dangerous, as much so as the nazi analogue, and that has "subtle" racism weaved throughout is dubious no matter what way you spin it.<br /><br />Also, where is this echo chamber? It doesn't actually exist. Its born of the fevered dreams of jarinjove's madness. Its not an echo chamber for two perspectives on something to exist, and so half of users to agree with the op.inanimate objects with a scary facehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17314874118855715226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5102004681763150356.post-31489894684869325352017-08-09T17:24:35.026-04:002017-08-09T17:24:35.026-04:00Hey Rizki, thanks for commenting, but I in no way ...Hey Rizki, thanks for commenting, but I in no way said that JJCAT is the only inspiration for SMT. I also mention in the conclusion about it being a Japanese series for a primarily Japanese audience. But I'm of the mind that a fictional context does exonerate authors of their intentions, particularly when they have resonance with real world culture like SMT does. <br /><br />JJCAT is also not universally condemned here. Most of the things I found led to interesting discoveries; the use in SMT4 and 4A, however, is to me just more examples of sloppy writing on the part of that team. Eirikrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12708584583156602408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5102004681763150356.post-91004607431621224682017-08-09T15:30:33.768-04:002017-08-09T15:30:33.768-04:00As a complete outsider, I had to say that Jarin po...As a complete outsider, I had to say that Jarin pointed out some intresting facts, and counter argument that is beneficial to strengthen and to widen the whole SMT's backlore, to show that while JJCAT seemed like the main inspiration for a lot of things in SMT lore, ITS NOT the only inspiration. Eirik mistake seemed to stem from his attempt to rounded up those other inspiration into his predetermined mould of "SMT is JJCAT" theory, no matter how easily and identifiable those ends would make sense if you had used other explanation that Jarin mentioned. <br /><br />In the end of the day, after throughout reading, I have to disagree with Eirikr conclusion, at how problematic this JJCAT usage in SMT. There are no blatant wrongness in different interpretation, as long as it used in context that is appropriate, which in this case, was a fictional setting for a fictional game. At its core, Japanese devs are going to make japanese game, full of japanese ideas, that may or may not be in tune with other group's ideas. It was a bit of a letdown that after all those research, Eirikr conclusion wasnt to acknowledge and respect that, but instead how unsatisfied he is that a group of people from other part of the world was going to have a different thinking than him, and if they dont change that, there's going to be a grave consequences (tm).<br /><br />Ah well, good luck to you and these band of users which only nods at your one-sided interpretation because they didnt have time to think for themselves, I guess. I mean, echo chamber is a nice place to live in, especially if you're the one tailoring it. Altough I had to say that you did come here by process, which is by becoming one of the most, if not, the most well read, most diligent, most passioate and most researched fan in the whole SMT internet fandom.Rizki Dhifanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08655655398187965997noreply@blogger.com